John Lindenman, 43, and Bradley Lutzo, 45, suffered fatal gunshot wounds during an 11 p.m. brawl in a QuikTrip parking lot on Tuesday.
Friday 20 February 2009
Brawl involving rival motorcycle groups led to a shooting that left two men dead at a Sunnyslope convenience store, according to police who released the victims' names Thursday. Investigators described the unidentified groups as gangs, although others suggested they were unlike outlaw groups commonly tied to biker violence.
Some police described the groups as substance-free organizations purportedly geared toward recovering addicts looking to ride with other sober motorcycle enthusiasts. John Lindenman, 43, and Bradley Lutzo, 45, suffered fatal gunshot wounds during an 11 p.m. brawl in a QuikTrip parking lot on Tuesday. No arrests have been made, and the deaths are under investigation, according to police.
Neither Lindenman or Lutzo had criminal records in Arizona.Phoenix Detective Cindy Scott said the department will not release the names of the groups, citing its policy on withholding the identifications of documented criminal street gangs.
35 comments:
THIS IS SO UNTRUE !!!
JUST LIKE THE ALL OF THE OTHER MEDIA REPORTING ON MY NEPHEWS MURDER. MY NEPHEW, JOHN LINDEMAN(THEY CAN NOT EVEN GET HIS NAME RIGHT!!!) HAS BEEN WITH A RECOVERING ADDICTS GROUP SINCE HE WAS 18. HE IS NOT IN ANY GANG- NEVER HAS BEEN. THE GROUP THAT RIDES MOTORCYLES IS A RECOVERING ADDICT/SOBER GROUP AND HAVE DONE MORE GOOD THAN I CAN SAY. TO CALL THEM A GANG COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. THEY ARE NOT BIKER OUTLAWS AND NOT INVOLVED WITH ANYTHING OF THE LIKE. IT IS SUCH A STEREOTYPE THAT ANYONE ON A MOTORCYCLE IS IN A MOTORCYCLE GANG. I AM OUTRAGED AT THE MEDIA'S REPORTING AND THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LIE. I HAVE EXPERIENCED HUNDREDS OF TIMES HOW THE MEDIA JUST 'BLABS' AND 'BLABS' BEFORE THEY HAVE THE FACTS ANY WHERE NEAR CORRECT. I HAVE SEEN THE MEDIA MORE THAN ONCE TO REPORT SOMEONE KILLED THAT WAS NOT EVEN THE RIGHT PERSON. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW WRONG THEY CAN BE!!! BUT WHAT CAN WE EXPECT FROM BIASED MEDIA. THEY PUT THINGS OUT TO SENSATIONLIZE NO MATTER IF IT IS RIGHT OR WRONG. BUT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A BIG STORY THEY DON'T CARE WHO THEY HURT. THIS TYPE OF REPORTING SHOULD BE A CRIME. THE MURDER IS ALREADY A CRIME BEYOND BELIEF. IF THEY WOULD PUT AS MUCH ATTENTION IN TRYING TO SEEK THE TRUTH, THEY WOULD REALLY BE DOING SOMETHING.
THE WRONG INFORMATION IN ALL OF THE MEDIA ONLINE, TELEVISION,AND NEWPAPERS IS HURTING MY FAMILY ON TOP OF HURT. WE WILL HAVE TO SUFFER THE TERRIBLE UNBELIEVEABLE HURT FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES. IS THAT NOT ENOUGH?
I agree with your frustration at this mesrepresentation. I was at one time associated with the same group that John was a very prominent member of and it is in no way a gang. He is one of the best people that I have ever known and my feelings of sadness for his family and his wife are indescribeable. His murder was senseless and ridiculous. The people who did this have no idea what they took away. I am so sorry for your loss.
AS A FRIEND OF BOTH THE VICTIMS.. U GO MY 3 SONS!! UNARMED MEN WORKING HARD AND SUCCESFULY IN A PROGRAM OF HONESTY! 100% CLEAN AND SOBER FOR MANY 24 HOURS BETWEEN THEM. IF ANYONE EVER NEEDED HELP THESE TWO WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TO HELP A BROTHER OR A SISTER!! ANY HOUR OF THE DAY. RIDE ON BROTHERS
I didn't know John but I did know Brad. Brad lived and breathed recovery 24 / 7. He was a non violent caring person with a fiery personality. My partner in life is Brad's ex brother in law. We have been to backyard cookouts and family reunions with Brad. We know what a good man he was and deeply regret that we didn't get to emphasize how much we appreciate him. The person or persons who pulled the trigger have no idea how far reaching the pain and devastation has reached. You have put a slash in our souls. And you, the media have put salt in our wounds.
Rest in Peace Brothers, I hope you are riding free somewhere.
unarmed my ass, they both cary guns and knives.
boys from the midwest just couldnt back there talk.
John was a wonderful man, and a great mentor to people in recovery. He and his wonderful wife are the most loving, caring, honorable people I know. To speak unkindly of him is simply uncalled for. When did riding with your brothers and celebrating recovery become so violent. At what point do adult men stop being able to work out their differences without resorting to this kind of violence. Shame on the people that made the chioce to take these lives. My your families never have to feel the pain that these two families are feeling now. Rest in peace John & Brad, knowing that you made such a wonderful impact on those who called you friend.
apparently onroad didn't know Brad.
they must have been backing it up pretty good if u had to shoot them.
what a stud!
ONROAD-
YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR REAR END. I ASK YOU THIS QUESTION- WERE YOU THERE? DID YOU INVESTIGATE THIS MURDER? I CAN TELL YOU , YOU ARE WRONG.
MY NEPHEW, JOHN LINDEMAN WAS ONE OF THEE MOST NON-VIOLENT PEOPLE THAT THERE IS. JOHN DID MUCH GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GAVE OF HIS TIME UNSELFISHLY. WHAT CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE DOING TO CONTRIBUTE ? IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WRITING CRAP ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A DECENT MIND, HEART OR LIFE
YOU ARE A IDIOT- "MIDWEST GUYS COULDN'T BACK THEIR TALK" I CAN NOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD THINK THIS LET ALONE WRITE IT. WHAT KIND OF AN UNEDUCATED DEVILISH PERSON ARE YOU ? MY NEPHEW LOST HIS LIFE, AND OUR FAMILY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. THINK ABOUT THE PAIN THAT MY SISTER-HIS MOM WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE REST OF HER LIFE. YOU ARE TOO COLD FOR WORDS. THINK IF THIS WAS YOUR LOVED ONE IN YOUR FAMILY.
OH THAT'S RIGHT- A PERSON AS YOU WITH NO HEART IS NOT CAPABLE OF THAT-- SORRY.
ONROAD -- YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW-
GOD WILL DEAL WITH YOU, I BELIEVE.
AND IT MAY NOT BE PRETTY.
well my three sons, fam is always the last to know.
and you dont. you need to get your head out of your rear. i was with john for 8 years and sold him a gun and knives so i do know. and its not your buis if i was around. and its realy funny that when someone dies that they where always the best person in the world.not tru. sorry but he had things that you didnt know and never will. so get off your high horse and face reality mr know it all!
OnRoad, You were with John for 8 years? well I have been with him for 43years. How dare you disgrace him with your crap about when someone dies people say they were the best person in the world. I didn't say he was perfect, noone is, but he was a good person. I have been with him before he was born,until the day he was taken from us, he gave of himself unselfishly. But what you have shown here you wouldn't know about that--for you to know what good is, maybe an impossible task, you appear to be focused on the negative and evil in life. If this happened to you, I wonder if anyone would say anything good about you. I knew more about John than you know, and I don't have to prove it to you or anyone. He and His Mom, my sister, were very close they had a very open communication, and she knew which in turn I know more than you think, maybe that is how things are in your family but not ours. I can't tell you how much I know. And do you think I will put all our here for idots like you to make judgements on. But you are not even worth my time to try to prove anything. I know what I know, and you are not in our family nor know things we know. You think you are omniscient about this and John but you aren't. This is a murder and investigation, there is information our family are not at liberty to devulge. But if by a chance I say if you know something someone doesn't that will solve his murder, by all means go to the police. Unless you have something to hide. I am owner of guns and knives, but just because I have them doesn't mean I have them to kill someone unless of course my family's life or my life was in danger. Before you shoot your mouth off, uninformed, read-- get educated , I am not a MR. oh yeah sorry people like you shoot their mouth off without the facts-
As I said tell all if you know all-
put your money where your mouth is.
You are not worth this time I have spent, but I owe it to John as my nephew, my friend, and what he was to my 3 Sons, that loved their cousin dearly as he was like a uncle to them, this has hurt them deeply. I know the pain of losing someone so dear to you, your world is crushed and will never be the same. John was a great comfort to me when I lost my oldest son at 21 in 2003. Maybe your heart is to cold and negative to understand that. But again if you are such an insider, solve his murder, we would be eternally grateful.
Well put my3sons.
I am sending you a cyber hug.
Please hang in there.
booohoooo
you just like to here yourself and be the center of atention.he wouldnt support anyone that wasnt in a.r.m. and with fam like you i can see why he wanted to move so far away from home. my nephew.my nephew. bla bla. a.r.m said they would take care of this. they cant take care of a wet dream.
and i have all the info i need thanks, whos going to support his pill popin wife now?
ONROAD, You are so misguided it is pathetic. People like you are a dime a dozen and like I said don't know crap, and shoot your mouth of where you don't. You don't know anything about why John moved and the relationship with his family.
Enough. You and Satan have fun, ruining your life. And learn how to spell,(hear not here) you are showing your undeduated self, just another example to show how you are taking up space, and adding to the trash of this world.You are a bitter, cold person, You reap what you sow, be very careful. You were never worth my time. I have enegy to put to my family who really are opposite you. Done.
about time u shut up. he got what he deserved playin billy badass biker wanabe.
just as i thought your all talk just like your nephew. at least you know when to shut your piehole.
as usual ... it's the people with the biggest mouths and bad attitudes that run off the good folk. You win onroad, here's a dime ... go call some one who cares
you see here my3sons nobody seems to give a shit what you say.
onroad..i can't wait to read your obituary in the paper...nobody will care! You gotta be a pussy to talk shit about a dead man!! My uncle was brad and you wana sit here and talk shit about somebody who isn't even here... you couldn't talk shit when they were alive because they would have SLAUGHTERED YOU!!! so if it makes you feel better to talk about people who aren't here to stand up for themselves, and then smash the people who try to defend them since they're gone, so be it. You rot in hell bastard!!
oh thats smooth jackass
talk like that is how your uncle got shot smart ass.
and by the way a.r.m. couldnt slaughter a fly!!!!
Yeah dipshit... i guess it runs in the family. Shoot me then tough guy
let me be like onroad and have to make 3 comments because i couldn't think of what to say the first time!!!!
you sound like a punk ass bitch like brad.
Punk...don't think so... if i was a punk i wouldn't be talking shut dumb ass. but bitch... yeah.. and that would be MS. BITCH to you. Keep talking shit about a dead man... that makes you REAL cool. That makes you sound sooo awesome!!! I wish i had as much balls as you!!! Gotta talk shit about somebody who aint here to talk shit back. FUCK UP AND GET A LIFE!!! If you don't care about brad or john... then why in the hell do you keep coming back to the sites that are here for grieving family and friends??? Do you think that makes you a man?? Does that make you as much of a man as these men who died fighting for something they believed in??? fighting for a violence free organization??? You are not a real MAN and never will be!! Go get ur dick cut off and turn into a bitch! Cuz that's what you are a pussy ass bitch!!
you have no idea what the hell your fuckin talkin about loooozzzer. this is for responing to the artical. not your fuckin worthless family. bang bang.
I'm sure it wasn't INTENDED for dumb asses like you to TRY and talk shit.
And somebody has already commented on how intelligent you sound.... but lozer....? a loser that can't spell loser.. hmmm look at that
dont hav 2 know how to spell 2 take care of buis. jackass. im not dumb enough to get shot. your fag uncle was>
Onroad is feeding off of peoples misery. He is like a bottom feeder. He likes it when you kick up the shit because it feeds him. Eating all that shit makes him what he is, "an old pile of shit". And the more you stir a pile of shit the more it stinks.
I say, make him invisible and only comment to people who are looking for support, leads & closure.
thanx veggiefairie... i just couldn't sit there and not say anything.. I am done however. There are just some damn ingnorant people in the world. And it's sad. He probably doesn't know either one of them and is just out there to make a fucking scene. I got out what i needed to get out and I am done. Thank you
sorry for hurt feelings.
and i did know them.
im done with this. but when you have people going around braging that one of there members killed a hells angel. what do think was going to happen? so there you go start with that since you want info on it>
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